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印度軍隊被高估了嗎

Is the Indian Army overrated?

印度軍隊被高估了嗎?

以下是Quora讀者的評論:

Anjit, Seen the men in Olive green.

Man, you’ve got balls. But I’ll try to convince you to change your opinion.

By over rated, I think you meant all of these.

1.Well paid.

2.CSD services

3.Medical service to family .

4.blah blah and blah

and you also might have meant this below.

This my friend, if you don’t know is Captain Saurabh Kalia at his Passing Out Parade. Proud parents, proud relatives and friends and a lot of happy faces right ?

伙計,你真有膽量。但我會試著說服你改變你的觀點。

我想你說的被高估,指的是下面這些吧:

1.收入豐厚。

2.CSD服務

3.家庭醫療服務。

4.諸如此類

你可能也有下面這個意思。

我的朋友,你也許不知道,這是索拉博卡利亞上尉在他的結業會操上拍的照片。自豪的父母,自豪的親戚和朋友,還有許多快樂的面孔,對嗎?

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Wrong …!

Now I’ll tell you, what happened to our great Captain Saurabh Kalia 6-months into the service.

錯…!

現在我要告訴你,偉大的索拉博卡利亞上尉服役6個月后發生了什么。

On 15 May 1999 Lt Saurabh Kalia and five other soldiers of the 4 Jat Regiment had gone for a routine patrol of the Bajrang Post in the Kaksar sector in the rugged, treeless Ladakh mountains. They were captured alive by the Pakistani rangers and brutally tortured to death .

Post-mortem examinations revealed that the Pakistanis had tortured their prisoners by: burning their bodies with cigarettes, piercing the ear-drums with hot rods, puncturing eyes before removing them, breaking most of their teeth and bones, fracturing their skulls, cutting the lips, chipping of nose, chopping off limbs and private organs of the soldiers, and finally shooting them dead, as evidenced by bullet wounds to the temple. The post-mortem also confirmed the injuries were inflicted ante-mortem (before death).

Our brother was so horrendously and brutally murdered .

Still not convinced enough ?

1999年5月15日,索拉博卡利亞和其他五名賈特團的士兵在崎嶇、沒有樹木的拉達克山脈的Kaksar區的Bajrang哨所進行例行巡邏。他們被巴基斯坦突擊隊活捉,并被殘忍地折磨致死。

驗尸檢查顯示,巴基斯坦對囚犯進行了殘忍的折磨:用香煙燙傷他們的身體,刺穿他們的耳骨膜,挖掉他們的眼睛前刺穿了眼球,敲斷了他們的大部分牙齒和骨骼,頭骨被砸,嘴唇被割,鼻子被削,四肢和私密部位被砍,最后被射殺致死。尸檢也證實了這些傷害是死前造成的。

我們的兄弟被如此殘忍地殺害了。

還是不夠信服?

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See that. That is the mother of Lt Ummer fayaz crying over her 22 years old son’s dead body. 22 years GOD DAMN IT !!! JUST 22 YEARS OLD .

看到了嗎。Ummer fayaz中尉的母親為她22歲兒子的尸體而哭泣。22歲,該死的!!才22歲呀。

Britain: We are seeking from the Indian Army a full report of the postmortem, unfortunately without any success so far.

Israel: Israel does not have diplomatic relations with Pakistan.

Germany: They had contacted the ministry of external affairs and had not received a reply.

Pakistan denied the torture of the six soldiers and rejected India's demand to punish the guilty.

Wanna ask the father of Captain Saurabh Kalia what he thinks.

"I am ashamed of being an Indian. The country has spineless leaders,"

Now do you think its over rated?

(silence)

yes silence it is .

Jai Hind .

英國:我們正向印度軍方索要一份完整的尸檢報告,不幸的是迄今為止尚未成功。

以色列:以色列與巴基斯坦沒有外交關系。

德國:他們已經聯系了外交部,但是沒有得到答復。

巴基斯坦否認虐待六名士兵,并拒絕了印度懲罰罪犯的要求。

想問問索拉博卡利亞船長的父親他是怎么想的。

“我為自己是印度人而感到羞恥。這個國家的領導人太懦弱了”

你認為印度軍隊被高估了嗎?

(沉默)

是的,是沉默。

印度必勝。

 

Akshay Gupta, Loves every thing about Indian Army

Have you ever heard of a 19 year old who was hit by 15 bullets and still went on fighting and killed enemy with bare hands? No is the word I assume you just uttered.

It was way past midnight and a unit was tasked to attack Tiger Hill. They had to follow a tactic which would rightfully be called most difficult ever employed in an open battlefield. 3 bunkers of Pakistan Army were located at top of that hill and they had seemingly impossible task of climbing up the hill and taking down 3 enemy bunkers.

你聽說過嗎,一個19歲的人身中15發子彈仍然堅持戰斗,赤手空拳殺死敵人?我猜你會說“沒有”。

當時已經過了午夜,一支部隊奉命攻擊老虎山。他們必須遵照開放戰場上最困難的戰術。巴基斯坦軍隊的3個掩體位于那座山的頂部,他們似乎不可能爬上山頂,拿下敵人的3個掩體。

The climb was steep, slippery and rocky and someone had to climb to the top, fix a rope, so that others can climb. Yogender Singh Yadav, of Granadiers battalion volunteered for this. While he was halfway, the enemy opened fire, he was hit in his crotch and shoulders while his Platoon commander and two other soldiers were martyred. Wounded and bleeding heavily, perhaps no other person could have dared to walk into enemy installations but you are talking about super soldiers from Indian Army. Yadav continued his climb and crawled for 60 feet.

When he reached the top, one of the bunker opened fire at him and what Yadav did will blow your mind. He threw a grenade which killed the enemy soldier in the bunker. If that was not enough, he and his fellow soldiers killed four Pakistani soldiers with bare hands and captured 3rd bunker as well.

攀爬之路又陡又滑,巖石又多,必須有人先行爬到山頂,固定好繩子,讓其他人爬上去。格拉納達營的約杰斯特·辛格·亞達夫自愿擔此重任。當他爬到一半的時候,敵人開火了,他的胯部和肩膀被擊中,他的排長和另外兩名士兵犧牲了。深受重傷,流血嚴重,可能其他人是不敢走進敵人的設施的,但這是位來自印度軍隊的超級士兵。亞達夫繼續往上爬,爬了60英尺。

當他到達山頂時,其中一個碉堡向他開火,亞達夫的所作所為讓你大吃一驚。他投擲了一枚手榴彈,炸死了掩體里的敵軍士兵。他和他的戰友們還徒手殺死了四名巴基斯坦士兵,并占領了第三個掩體。

Subedar Singh had a broken leg, shattered arm and multiple bullet injuries and was rushed to hospital. It was assumed that he wont survive this and Param Vir Chakra was announced for Yadav posthumously. But, no, death had not been able to defeat this super soldier. He received Param Vir Chakra at the age of 19.

I want you to remember this hero and remember that underrated might just be the word but, without a single iota of doubt, definitely not overrated.

Subedar Singh腿部骨折,手臂骨折,身上多處中彈,被送往醫院。人們認為他活不過這一關。但是,不,死神也不無法打敗這個超級戰士。他在19歲時被授予Param Vir Chakra勛章。

我希望你們記住這位英雄,毫無疑問,印度軍隊絕對不會被高估。

 

Naman Chakraborty, Regular Indian

Let’s find it out through a slightly different route brother.

The total budget outlay of Pakistan is about: USD 44 Billion[1]

The total direct tax receipts in Pakistan are: USD 12.8 Billion[2]

The total amount of loans Pakistan took last year: USD 7.83 Billion[3]

The total value of all Pakistani exports last year: USD 1.8 Billion[4]

Money Pakistan spends on the health of its citizens - USD 109.8 Million[5] 

Money Pakistan spends on the education of its citizens - USD 715.4 Million[6]

Pakistan’s Defence Budget - USD 8.77 Billion[7]

兄弟,讓我們從其他思路來看待這個問題。

巴基斯坦的總預算支出約為440億美元

巴基斯坦的直接稅收收入總額為:128億美元

巴基斯坦去年獲得的貸款總額為78.3億美元

巴基斯坦去年的出口總額為18億美元

巴基斯坦花在公民健康上的錢為1.098億美元

巴基斯坦用于公民教育的資金為7.154億美元

巴基斯坦的國防預算為87.7億美元

Had Pakistan been a family with a monthly income of Rs 100 - it would be spending less than Rs. 2 on the health and education of its children and Rs. 20 on employing a jealous guard, who throws stones at the neighbor’s house, every time a family member speaks to them.

如果巴基斯坦是一個月收入約100盧比的家庭——它將為孩子的健康和教育花費不到2 盧比,卻會花20盧比雇傭一個向鄰居的房子扔石頭的十分戒備的保安。

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This guard regularly abuses the kids [8]- sells them heroin[9]- runs a bakery[10]on the sides - has never won a fight with anyone above the age of 5[11]- and still gets to sleep in the master bedroom[12]at night.

Whenever someone in the family tries to question the hegemony of this rowdy character - the guard quickly takes out a picture from his pocket, and everyone just shuts up and endures.

這個保安經常虐待孩子們——向他們出售海洛因——在路邊開一家面包房——從來沒有打贏過5歲以上的人——晚上仍然在主臥室睡覺。

每當家里有人試圖質疑這個粗暴角色的霸權地位時,保安就會迅速從口袋里掏出一張照片,所有人都立刻閉嘴,繼續忍受。

Here’s that picture Brother:

這就是那張照片:

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Is the Indian Army over rated? -

That overpaid guard, currently lounging in the master bedroom of his employer, busy watching TV, munching on someone else’s lunch - remote in hand - does not think so.

Citizens of Bangladesh, who would be celebrating the 46th anniversary of their Independence this December - do not think so.

The Chinese deploying more troops[13]on the India border - do not think so.

Thousands of thankful citizens of the world[14] saved in the recent peacekeeping operations undertaken by the Indian Army - do not think so.

How about you…

印度軍隊被高估了嗎

那個拿著高薪的保安,正懶洋洋地躺在老板的主臥室里,看著電視,手里握著遙控器,大快朵頤地吃著別人的午餐——并不這么認為。

今年12月,孟加拉國將迎來獨立46周年紀念日——并不這么認為。

中國在印度邊境部署了更多的軍隊——并不這么認為。

在印度軍隊最近的維和行動中獲救的成千上萬心懷感激的世界公民——并不這么認為。

你呢……

 

Roland Bartetzko, former German Army Paratrooper, Croatian Defense Council, Kosovo Liberation Army

People tend to overrate their own military forces while, at the same time, they underrate those of their enemies. This is often the result of the enthusiasm of the youth, nationalism, and sometimes propaganda.

As there are many more internet (and Quora) users from India than from Pakistan (which is the only foreign nation that cares about the Indian Army), there will always be more articles and posts around that praise and overrate the Indian Army than the opposite.

Military experts, on the other hand, do not rate, overrate, or underrate a country’s military; they do assessments. All the rankings you can see on YouTube about which country has the toughest/hardest/best/... military are done by amateurs that haven’t done more than five minutes internet research on the subject. As many of these bloggers come from India, the Indian Army ranks higher than it maybe deserves.

人們往往高估自己國家的軍事力量,同時低估敵人的軍事力量。這往往是青年們滿腔熱情、民族主義、有時也是政治宣傳的結果。

由于印度的互聯網(和Quora)用戶遠多于巴基斯坦(巴基斯坦是唯一關心印度軍隊的國家),因此總是會有更多的文章和帖子贊美和高估印度軍隊。

另一方面,軍事專家并不會評價、高估或低估一個國家的軍事實力;他們只會評估。所有你在YouTube上看到的關于哪個國家的軍事實力最牛/最好/…的視頻,往往是業余愛好者做的。由于許多博客作者來自印度,印度軍隊的排名可能比它應得的要高。

譯文來源:三泰虎 http://www.sdbgek.tw/48538.html  譯者:Joyceliu

The few military experts that are dealing with the Indian army agree on the fact that the Indian Army isn’t at the same level with most Western military forces. Although they are modernizing, most units still have old and inadequate equipment.

Regarding the fighting capability of the Indian army, there isn’t really that much to analyse. The only enemy they have been fighting against in recent years were insurgents and the Pakistani Army. It might be hard to swallow for the proud and patriotic Indian internet community, but a Pakistani infantry unit has about the same level of performance as their Indian counterparts.

Otherwise, military experts would have looked up and taken a keener interest in the matter. When the Islamic State overrun the city of Mosul in 2014, there wasn’t a serious military publication in the world that didn’t publish an analysis on the issue. How was it possible that a less than one hundred men strong insurgent force had outclassed a much stronger US equipped and trained defender?

與印度軍隊打交道的少數軍事專家一致認為,印度軍隊不及大多數西方軍隊的水平。雖然他們正在進行現代化改造,但大多數部隊的裝備依然陳舊不足。

關于印度軍隊的作戰能力,并沒有太多可以分析的。近年來,他們唯一的敵人是叛亂分子和巴基斯坦軍隊。對于自豪而愛國的印度互聯網社區來說,這可能是難以接受的,但巴基斯坦步兵部隊的表現與印度步兵部隊大致相當。

否則,軍事專家們會對這個問題產生更多的關注。2014年,當伊斯蘭國占領摩蘇爾市時,世界上沒有哪份嚴肅的軍事出版物沒有發表過關于這個問題的分析。一支不足一百人的強大叛軍部隊怎么可能打敗裝備和訓練都比他們強得多的美國防御軍呢?

Many military historians are still fascinated by the German military of World War II. There is still something to learn from the excellent military organisation and performance of the Wehrmacht.

That the world isn’t more interested in the Indian military shows that it’s rather average. Of course, they have a lot of excellent infantry units and special forces (I had myself the privilege to jump with an Indian paratrooper), but we shouldn’t forget that the Indian Army is very big, and you cannot properly assess a military organisation by looking only at the elite units.

許多軍事歷史學家仍然對二戰時期的德國軍隊很感興趣。德國國防軍出色的軍事組織和表現仍有值得學習的地方。

世界對印度軍隊不感興趣,這說明印度軍隊很普通。當然,他們有很多優秀的步兵部隊和特種部隊(我曾有幸與一名印度傘兵一起跳傘),但我們不應該忘記,印度軍隊非常龐大,你不能通過觀察某支精英部隊來客觀評估一個軍事組織。

 

Kaushal Kumar, Officer at Ministry of Defence, India

I do not understand why people got emotional when this question was asked by someone. It is good that you want to know it. Let me tell you something about it:

我不明白為什么當有人提出這個問題時,人們會變得情緒化。你想知道,這沒問題。我也來說一點事實吧:

1.I give you my example: During recent Kerala floods relief operation, I was in-charge of one of the armed forces wing of the a district. My phone used to get bombarded with calls and Watsapp messages (since our number was broadcasted). I used to get more than 1000 calls/messages every day. Since we were busy in operation, it was impossible for me to attend calls (it was heavily raining all the time) but still i used to attend some of them and gave them assurance that we will come to pick them up. My men were working heavily under stress, day and night. Many got injuries which grew with time because of being wet all the time. We used to have food just once in a day. They never complained for getting less rest (around 4 hours for 4 days). I am sure that we were not able to get every men out, in spite of putting all my efforts. But, surprisingly, we got equally large number of messages after the operation, thanking us for all the support. Do you feel people overrated us? In reality we were not able to reach all of them. But i knew i gave in my best. And i think people gave equal love in return.

1.舉個例子:在最近的喀拉拉邦洪水救援行動中,我負責某區武裝部隊的一個部門。我的手機曾經被電話和Whats app的信息轟炸(因為我們的號碼被廣播出去了)。我每天都會接到1000多個電話/短信。因為我們工作很忙,所以我沒時間接電話(一直下著大雨),但我還是接聽了一些,并向他們保證我們會來接他們。我的部下日夜都在緊張地工作。隨著時間的推移,因為大家的身上一直都是濕的,許多人受傷了。我們一天只吃一次飯。他們從不抱怨休息時間少(4天才休息了4小時左右)。盡管我們盡了最大的努力,但還是沒能把每個人都救出來。但是,令人驚訝的是,我們在行動后收到了同樣多的信息,感謝我們的救援。你覺得人們高估我們了嗎?事實上,我們不可能解救所有人。但我知道我已經盡力了。人們也回報了我們同樣的愛作為回報。

2.Indian army soldiers are not busy in wasting their time thinking whether they are overrated or not. Soldiers and officers are directed to stay away from such debates. Debate is fine, but a stupid debate is NOT FINE. Even if we are overrated, it is because of the love from the country’s citizens. Nobody from the army goes and advertises to overrate themselves.

2.印度士兵不會浪費時間思考自己是否被高估了。士兵和軍官被下令避開這種討論。辯論是好的,但愚蠢的辯論則不然。即使我們被高估了,那也是因為國家公民的愛。軍隊里沒有人去打廣告夸大自己。

3.A survey done by an independent international agency of high credentials put Indian army service as one of the “most stressful” service.

4.They are operating in some of the world’s toughest living places of the world. Those places have witnessed more casualties in peace time (because of weather) than in war.

5.Indian army have lost more number of men than any other country in UN Peacekeeping expeditions.

3.某獨立的國際機構做過一項調查顯示,印度軍役是“壓力最大的”服役之一。

4.他們在世界上最艱苦的地方工作。這些地區在和平時期(由于天氣原因)的人員傷亡比在戰爭時期要多。

5.在聯合國維和行動中,印度軍隊的傷亡人數比其他任何國家都多。

6.If you feel, a soldier is free in peacetime, read my detailed answer on it.

7.Because of our countries economic difficulties, our budgets are one of the lowest when it comes to per soldier expenditure.

8.While other countries get to see long duration's of peace, unfortunately, we are at war with our own people (half the terrorists in J & K are from Kashmir and than WE ALSO HAVE YOU). The picture below has become a everyday scheme. Now, imagine your daughter here and let me know if WE ARE STILL OVERRATED.

6.如果你覺得,一個士兵在和平時期是自由的,請詳細閱讀我的回答。

7.由于我們國家的經濟困難,我們每個士兵的開支預算是最低的。

8.當其他國家享受著長期和平時,很不幸,我們與自己的人民還處于戰爭中(在J & K的恐怖分子有一半來自克什米爾)。下面的圖片已成日常。現在,想象一下你的女兒在這里,如果你覺得我們還是被高估了,請告訴我。

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Alcatraz Dey, Human, Endurance Biker & Author (2018-present)

Oh, yes it is too overrated!

And hence lakhs of young men and women every year write NDA, CDSE and similar exams.

Candidates stretch their limits and attempt SSB as far fetched as 16–18 times.

That is why people such as Manoj Pandey and Sam Manekshaw are admired and treated as heroes.

That is why an entire nation paid tributes when one MR. Unnikrishnan fought bravely and became a martyr.

That is why many people dream of wearing that uniform.

That is why civilians give up their seats for soldiers in the bus and the train.

哦,是的,它被高估了!

因此,每年都有成千上萬的年輕男女參加NDA、CDSE和類似的考試。

候選人突破了自己的極限,為SSB嘗試上16-18次。

這就是為什么像馬諾·潘迪和山姆·馬納克肖這樣的人被當作英雄來崇拜和對待。

這就是為什么當Unnikrishnan先生英勇戰斗并成為烈士時,整個國家都向他致敬。

這就是為什么許多人夢想著穿上制服。

這就是為什么平民在公共汽車和火車上為士兵讓座。

And that is exactly why we all are still safe despite hostile neighbours.

Indian Army is too overrated because it lets us be free so that we can go and molest women, pay bribes, break traffic rules and ask such questions.

It is overrated because still there are parents who will not let their child to join forces and expect the country to be safe.

Damn, so much hype!

這就是為什么盡管有敵對的鄰國,我們仍然安全。

印度軍隊被高估了,因為它讓我們自由,我們可以去騷擾女人,行賄,違反交通規則,提出這樣的問題。

它被高估了,因為仍然有父母不愿自己的孩子入伍的同時,還期望國家安全無虞。

該死,這么多炒作!

 

Shubham K.P

Of course yes! Indian army is way too much overrated.

Let’s take an example.

當然是的!印度軍隊被高估太多了。

舉個例子。

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A recent video that has been going viral, shows a woman from Sangli, Maharashtra touching an Army man’s feet to show her gratitude.

A woman in India isn’t allowed to touch anyone’s feet. Still, the video is catching a lot of positive eyes.

When we pray to God to save us, he never appears. INDIAN ARMY does.

最近一段廣為流傳的視頻顯示,來自馬哈拉施特拉邦桑格里的一名女子撫摸一名軍人的腳,以表達她的感激之情。

在印度,婦女不許觸摸任何人的腳。盡管如此,這段視頻還是吸引了許多正能量的目光。

當我們祈求神拯救我們時,他從未出現。但印度軍隊有求必應,使命必達。

There may be a million people in India who doesn't believe in God. But you can’t point a single person in India who don’t believe in the Indian Army.

And did I forget the youth of India? Ask any youth who’s their hero, they will definitely answer ‘The Indian Army’.

Now coming to the question;

Is Indian Army overrated?

Yes. Of course yes. Because they deserve to be overrated.

在印度可能有一百萬人不信神。但在印度,你找不到一個不信仰印度軍隊的人。

我是否忘了印度的青年?問問年輕人,看誰是他們的英雄,他們肯定會回答“印度軍隊”。

現在問題來了;

印度軍隊被高估了嗎?

是的。當然是的。因為他們理應被高估。

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